Women in Combat

[Anonymous]

Dear Ladies (and potential ladies),

You obviously have the most clouded view equality on this planet of ours. Equality, is not possible in a world where people are told from birth that they are unique and special. If you wish to propagate some warm and fuzzy ideal that women are equal to men then you are sadly mistaken. Women will never be equal to men. Men will never be equal to women. There are differences that you are unwilling to accept through your attempts to force feed the web with feminist bullsh*t. Please wake up, women have their own special qualities and so do (surprise surprise) men. I was most amused at one of the comments pitching a scanty little man against a slightly above average woman. IT IS NOT A REASONABLE COMPARISON YOU FOOL. If you could even consider fairness as part of equality then perhaps you should start adhering to the principles you wish to use as a tool to present your reverse chauvanism.

Love

RDT

s3035526@student.anu.edu.au

[Anonymous]

: Dear Ladies (and potential ladies),
:
: You obviously have the most clouded view equality on this planet of ours.
: Equality, is not possible in a world where people are told from birth that
: they are unique and special. If you wish to propagate some warm and fuzzy
: ideal that women are equal to men then you are sadly mistaken. Women will
: never be equal to men. Men will never be equal to women. There are
: differences that you are unwilling to accept through your attempts to
: force feed the web with feminist bullsh*t. Please wake up, women have
: their own special qualities and so do (surprise surprise) men. I was most
: amused at one of the comments pitching a scanty little man against a
: slightly above average woman. IT IS NOT A REASONABLE COMPARISON YOU FOOL.
: If you could even consider fairness as part of equality then perhaps you
: should start adhering to the principles you wish to use as a tool to
: present your reverse chauvanism.


Dear Sir,

What you missed is that a scanty little man will make it into the field positions and slightly above average and average women do not. No we are not all the same, yes we have very different physical stregnths and weaknesses. Surprise surprise no one every said men didn't either. I am not a feminist, as a matter of fact if Gloria ever met me, she'd want me horse whipped and re-educated. I know women who keep the same PT standards as most men (average or otherwise) who do not tire easy but can keep up day to day, they are beautiful and intelligent, not butch or dumb. They do not see themselves as above average, they do their jobs very well, all the I's dotted, the T's crossed the P's and Q's are watched. They are excellent Officers and Enlisted. It is these women who have the ability to function not just barely in the field but equal to their male counterparts (that means physically and mentally). they however, will not be allowed to show what they can do, because.... They are women.

We don't want to be examined by other individual stregnths and weaknesses. We simple want a set standard for all, men and women. If these standards are met, male or female, then allow them to go into those fields they can just like any other individual. I am pleased that God made me a woman, but I also know what I am capable of. All I want is a chance. Will that happen? Someday it will. In my lifetime, probable when it's about to wind down. Thats what is sad. Thank you for your time.
:
: Love
:
: RDT

eph6_10@hotmail.com

[Anonymous]

: Dear Sir,
:
: What you missed is that a scanty little man will make it into the field
: positions and slightly above average and average women do not. No we are
: not all the same, yes we have very different physical stregnths and
: weaknesses. Surprise surprise no one every said men didn't either. I am
: not a feminist, as a matter of fact if Gloria ever met me, she'd want me
: horse whipped and re-educated. I know women who keep the same PT standards
: as most men (average or otherwise) who do not tire easy but can keep up
: day to day, they are beautiful and intelligent, not butch or dumb. They do
: not see themselves as above average, they do their jobs very well, all the
: I's dotted, the T's crossed the P's and Q's are watched. They are
: excellent Officers and Enlisted. It is these women who have the ability to
: function not just barely in the field but equal to their male counterparts
: (that means physically and mentally). they however, will not be allowed to
: show what they can do, because.... They are women.
:
: We don't want to be examined by other individual stregnths and weaknesses. We
: simple want a set standard for all, men and women. If these standards are
: met, male or female, then allow them to go into those fields they can just
: like any other individual. I am pleased that God made me a woman, but I
: also know what I am capable of. All I want is a chance. Will that happen?
: Someday it will. In my lifetime, probable when it's about to wind down.
: Thats what is sad. Thank you for your time.


I am surprised to see that you have managed to agree with me in some respects and then contradict yourself in others. Women can not be measured up against men and the converse holds true. It must definately remain the realm of men to serve in combat positions. Imagine serving in a mixed combat unit with men and women of, what some of you would regard, equal characteristics. In the heat of battle the cohesion that may have existed through some falsified change, some feminists would call advancements, in the roles that each gender has to play, would be obliterated. You people are making propositions against nature and the trend that has been around for millenia.

Try looking further than "I want a fair go" and look to the benefits or detriments to the system as a whole. Then you may see that Women in Combat is a phrase that should never have been written.

s3035526@student.anu.edu.au

[Anonymous]

What you are saying is: that when you look at a two-month old baby, and you ask - boy or girl? The answer will tell you that this little baby is a born warrior or not? Most differences between the men and women are cultural and some are genetic, but the genetic influence is in no way the same for all girls, and not the same for all boys. Within the genders there are huge variations and you will find many people suited for combat positions in both genders. It will be a mistake to not use the most talanted. It is possible to compare men and women against the same standards because we are all human beings with different personalities, and if we want a special personality in combat units, we should choose those people with that personality regardless of gender.

milwoman_sweden@hotmail.com

[Anonymous]

: Dear Ladies (and potential ladies),
:
: You obviously have the most clouded view equality on this planet of ours.
: Equality, is not possible in a world where people are told from birth that
: they are unique and special...etc


==>1. The issue is misstated. It is not equality: no two people on the face of the earth are equal or treated as such. The issue is equal opportunity to compete.

Try to look beyond personal cultural knee-jerk responses and examine job requirements. What do we really want when it comes to staffing corporations, governments, the military? Example: the Army. What do we need for an 11B, infantry? Does an 11B need protruding genitalia (I've already learned that we can't use the p-word on this message board)? Is that actually a job requirement? Or do we need people who can hump an 80-lb pack for x miles over rough terrain, etc?

And if we determine that the genitalia is the most important qualification, what are we willing to do to preserve that? Are we willing to bring back the draft to ensure a large enough pool? Are we willing to accept an Army so small it can protect nothing larger than Rhode Island? ==>2. You're certainly right: nothing approaching equality can exist where people think that having certain sexual apparatus makes them special as opposed to merely male or female. Culturally, we certainly need to stop doing this. Gender is not an achievement for which children should be praised as if they had made a difficult, but correct choice. However, the fact that some people engage in irrational behavior is not reason to discriminate against the rest. ==> I was in the Army during the Vietnam War. Interestingly enough, the majority of men against women in combat were young and untested. In a human relations seminar I conducted at West Point, the cadets were flabbergasted by the E-7 Green Beret who had worked with the Montagnards in Vietnam. Having actually been in combat with those women, he had nothing but praise for them. Experience does wonders in changing prejudices. ==>And as a different bone to pick, please see my message about "I'm a not a feminist, but..."



greatoz@aol.com

[Anonymous]

It indeed is a pity that you people can not focus your argument on anything other than ideology. Ideology tries, and ultimately fails, to encompass how things should be. Unfortunately it does not take into account what really happens. All you people are about is entering a war of words which can be manipulated to concur with your particular point of view. Any person of respectable military background would understand that in a war every fiction that you present as 'progress towards equality' is broken down an ineffectual. You may wish for equal opportunities but it is these opportunities that are destructive to the ability of the fighting force as a whole. I ask that you people become less selfish and think about more macro issues that contribute to saving/preserving 'our way of life' and associated warm fuzzies. Feminism, has its place in society, but not in the form of combatant soldiers. Unlike you people, these comments are based on fact rather than a preconcieved position of moral arbitration you attempt to occupy.

It is not progress it is regress.

Love RDT

s3035526@student.anu.edu.au

[Anonymous]

: Poor RDT, We must have hurt your feelings. More to the point. The individuals writing in from the Swedish Army are writing truth not fantasy as you might wish. The only hinderence to women in combat are not the women, but the few men who think they know better. Quit pushing your opinion as fact. Anything you say or I for that matter, is opinion. The individual from Sweden is the only one saying anything with fact to it. Why because she's there. Your idea of equality is so off it would take a compass just to find out where the beginning is. Equality does not mean Identical, but equal. An apple and an orange or equel in their use as a fruit, but each serves a purpose and provides needed nutrition to the body. NO they are not the same, but the end results are the goal. One with out the other can take care of the body, but both can make it stronger. I realize my little attempt there is weak, but I think I get the point across. So for all you nutritionists, please don't bash me for butching that. RDT your not helping your cause by ranting at women and calling them fools (I know you didn't say those exact words, but the readers condense version does). I would lay 100 to 1 odds that I could pick out 5 women who could put you to shame, in PT's and Intellectually. The same would be true from you to me. Who cares. Do you really think the women reading these letters care about your opinion and what you say? No, they sound to much like a writer from last year who left rather abruptly, you sound alot like him. He fell off, you will to. not because you don't bring up good points, but because you present them so badly. Quit bashing everyone who writes in and you'll get alot further. RB


eph6_10@hotmail.com

[Anonymous]

Dear RB

You have, in an effort to undermine my intelligence, just undermined your own. The issue I present has nothing to do with what you would regard, on your soap box, as bashing women on the net. All I am doing is showing that there are sufficient flaws in the way these concepts are thought, not the individuals (who I am sure are very good co-habitators of this planet) behind those thoughts. Please concentrate on beating my argument, which is what I have been doing to others on this site. The issue is not reducible to fruit either. Apples and oranges provide nourishment yes, but they both have different roles to play in providing that nourishment, they can not do it the same way. (Ref: Encyclopeadia)

My feelings have not been hurt, simply because they are not crucial to gaining a better understanding of the aging, and difficult, phenomena of Women in combat. I would suggest that before you start preaching from the book of 'correct net argument methodology', you re-aquaint yourself with the introductory and subsequent chapters of that volume.

Love RDT

s3035526@student.anu.edu.au

[Anonymous]

: Dear RB
:
: You have, in an effort to undermine my intelligence, just undermined your
: own. The issue I present has nothing to do with what you would regard, on
: your soap box, as bashing women on the net. All I am doing is showing that
: there are sufficient flaws in the way these concepts are thought, not the
: individuals (who I am sure are very good co-habitators of this planet)
: behind those thoughts. Please concentrate on beating my argument, which is
: what I have been doing to others on this site. The issue is not reducible
: to fruit either. Apples and oranges provide nourishment yes, but they both
: have different roles to play in providing that nourishment, they can not
: do it the same way. (Ref: Encyclopeadia)
:
: My feelings have not been hurt, simply because they are not crucial to
: gaining a better understanding of the aging, and difficult, phenomena of
: Women in combat. I would suggest that before you start preaching from the
: book of 'correct net argument methodology', you re-aquaint yourself with
: the introductory and subsequent chapters of that volume.
:
: Love RDT


eph6_10@hotmail.com

[Anonymous]

WOW what a mouthful, could you say that again.?


:
: My feelings have not been hurt, simply because they are not crucial to
: gaining a better understanding of the aging, and difficult, phenomena of
: Women in combat. I would suggest that before you start preaching from the
: book of 'correct net argument methodology', you re-aquaint yourself with
: the introductory and subsequent chapters of that volume.
:
: Love RDT


eph6_10@hotmail.com

[Anonymous]

Dear People:

I am just a freshmen in college going through all your wonderful information taking bits and pieces and putting it into a report. It is unbelievable that at the beginning I thought myself a fool for picking the issue of Women should not be in the Military I knew that was not fair. Now as I look over the points and the facts I am sorry ladies of my same gender you just do not belong in the military period. I thought maybe just the combat areas now as i have researched i know that you don't belong their period. Get out! Think about your country and not of some grand dream you have of being GI Jane. Think of it this way your not a bullet catcher be happy