Re: A US Navy Sailor Posing for Playboy?

[Anonymous]

:I am thinking about joining the army national gaurd and personally I just maybe changing my mind, after seeing so many positive oppions on this I don't know if I want to be apart of a organization that thinks its okay to spread your legs just so men can get their jollies


Don't say that, don't let someone else's opinion cloud your judgment on what to do with YOUR life. Someone's opinion is just that, an opinion and it doesn't mean everyone in the military feels the same way. So there are a some people in the military that feel nothing was wrong with the sailor in playboy, so what. Forget about it. If you want to serve your country, serve your country. 8)

Keeva

keeva6@hotmail.com

[Anonymous]

Just because a woman poses in Playboy does not make her immoral or degrading herself. She admittedly freely that from her first photos in Hawaii that she got comments and the such from her "fellow" shipmates and she also stated she handled them. If she's ready for the fall out, then more power to her. If she takes pride in her body, then again, more power to her. Having the uniform on the page, I don't go for, but doing a profile on her as a person and pointing out that she's member of the Navy, I can understand. She was not representing the Navy at that time, it was just her profession.

As for sex in the military, it's there, always been there, and will always be there whether men or women hide what they are or bare it for all the world to see. They can regulate until the cows come home, but men will be men and women will be women. Men are not the only ones with high sex drives, there are plenty of women who will match a man drive for drive anyday.

I think American's are entirely to uptight about nudity to begin with. The Europeans have got us beat hands down there. Just because the body is bared does not mean an open invitation to sex. Just like what you wear has no bearing on is this an invitation for sex. That is why these things are no longer allowed in the court room. They are personal expressions, not invitations. Personal feeling is it's a maturity thing.

What you all have failed to miss is that yes, she posed nude for Playboy, but how many of you know of the multitude of males who pose and nothing is ever said or done. Check out back issues of Cosmopolitan when they first started displaying nudity. Check out Playgirl. Women in the forces aren't the only ones baring all and I guaruntee you she isn't the first (if I remember right there was an Army female who posed for Playboy a few years back).

I agree with Prito, if she had asked, she would have been denied. The military discourages moonlighting of any kind. She had a need and she fulfilled it. She did not shirk in her duty as a sailor (which in the article it states that one of the reasons for letting her go was because modeling had become more important). Reading her bio for the Navy proved that it was anything but a priority and only a sideline to help her meet ends (a situation that is heard time and time again in the military).

This same thing happened with a police officer (and I believe she was from the LAPD) many years ago. They let her go to, I thought it was garbage then and I think it was garbage now.

[Anonymous]

: Just because a woman poses in Playboy does not make her immoral or degrading herself.


I know that Paula, I said that in the beginning I find nothing wrong with a woman posing for playboy. That's a woman's personal choice.
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: Having the uniform on the page, I don't go for, but doing a profile on her as a person and pointing out that she's member of the Navy, I can understand. She was not representing the Navy at that time, it was just her profession.

OK, I can understand that it's just her profession. Maybe I can't fully grasp what that's about because I'm a civilian, I always thought the military was a way of life.
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: I think American's are entirely to uptight about nudity to begin with. The Europeans have got us beat hands down there. Just because the body is bared does not mean an open invitation to sex. Just like what you wear has no bearing on is this an invitation for sex.

I didn't say just because the body is bare it means an open invitation for sex. I don't have a problem with nudity in general. People who sunbathe naked on beaches, people who go to nudist colonies don't bother me. The human body is beautiful and it feels good when you have a nice one. It’s the magazine, I have a problem with a serviceman/woman being publicized in the magazine, call it stupid but that's how I feel.

From MY personal experience men do think they have an open invitation to sex when you wear certain things. I don't know maybe it's because of my age or where I hang, but guys act like hounds when you show lots of skin, and I'm not going to continue to be gawked at I'll just tone down my style of dress. You can't even go to a club without a man slapping your butt or trying to grab you in places they have no business touching. You can't even walk down the street without being honked and yelled at. Then when you don't want to give them the time of day they get pissed and call you a b**** like you owe them something. Who wants to deal with that? Not me. Yeah, I get crap from men even when I'm covered up but not like how it is when I'm not, it's much worse. Yeah, men aren't the only ones with sex drives believe me I know.... one word, lesbian. Oh the horror stories. They are worse than men, they say "comon we're both girls" ha not this girl.

Anyway, I'll say again I don't think she should have been discharged that was a bit rash on the Navy's part. But I just find it odd for her to say she doesn't know what she did wrong. Yeah, it's sad the Navy would discharge someone for posing nude but didn't she see it coming? That is the reason why she wouldn't have asked permission right? She had to know the Navy wouldn't like it.

Keeva

keeva6@hotmail.com

[Anonymous]

: Just because a woman poses in Playboy does not make her immoral or degrading
: herself. She admittedly freely that from her first photos in Hawaii that
: she got comments and the such from her "fellow" shipmates and
: she also stated she handled them. If she's ready for the fall out, then
: more power to her. If she takes pride in her body, then again, more power
: to her. Having the uniform on the page, I don't go for, but doing a
: profile on her as a person and pointing out that she's member of the Navy,
: I can understand. She was not representing the Navy at that time, it was
: just her profession.
:
: As for sex in the military, it's there, always been there, and will always be
: there whether men or women hide what they are or bare it for all the world
: to see. They can regulate until the cows come home, but men will be men
: and women will be women. Men are not the only ones with high sex drives,
: there are plenty of women who will match a man drive for drive anyday.
:
: I think American's are entirely to uptight about nudity to begin with. The
: Europeans have got us beat hands down there. Just because the body is
: bared does not mean an open invitation to sex. Just like what you wear has
: no bearing on is this an invitation for sex. That is why these things are
: no longer allowed in the court room. They are personal expressions, not
: invitations. Personal feeling is it's a maturity thing.
:
: What you all have failed to miss is that yes, she posed nude for Playboy, but
: how many of you know of the multitude of males who pose and nothing is
: ever said or done. Check out back issues of Cosmopolitan when they first
: started displaying nudity. Check out Playgirl. Women in the forces aren't
: the only ones baring all and I guaruntee you she isn't the first (if I
: remember right there was an Army female who posed for Playboy a few years
: back).
:
: I agree with Prito, if she had asked, she would have been denied. The
: military discourages moonlighting of any kind. She had a need and she
: fulfilled it. She did not shirk in her duty as a sailor (which in the
: article it states that one of the reasons for letting her go was because
: modeling had become more important). Reading her bio for the Navy proved
: that it was anything but a priority and only a sideline to help her meet
: ends (a situation that is heard time and time again in the military).
:
: This same thing happened with a police officer (and I believe she was from
: the LAPD) many years ago. They let her go to, I thought it was garbage
: then and I think it was garbage now Well I am back again, just thought I would let everybody know I am married to a wonderful, loving Christian man who was in the Navy for 6years. I have been lucky, we have no ponography in our house it just isn't allowed. I don't think I am better than anybody and I am sorry to get on my soap box, its just when I think of magizines like that I think it's sad how women and men are being degraded and exploited they are someones son, daughter, sister, mother etc. and why are they doing this all for money its just so sad. There are other ways to make a buck. And yes I have seen a playboy and they do spread their legs, for heavens sake man what do you think that men just look at them for their articles no! What do you think they are used for in the first place, because its art not,Venus Demilo is art, not some bimbet spreading her legs d*** herself come on now. I personally don't look up to any model as a role model nor would I want any young girl either, people like Mother Theresa, Joan of Arc, Ohpra Windfrey, Flo-Jo Florence Griffith Joyner, Jackie joyner-kersee, Barbra Busch, women who have given something back in a postive way to society, who are selfless who have strived to be the best they can be. A lady I worked with who was married raising 2 children working a full time job ran 6 miles a day and managed to fit in college and become a teacher I look up to her she was a insperation to me someone to model my life after. I look up to my mom she is 74 and still works she gives her time to a senior center and as she puts it helps all the old people who by the way are younger than her she still mowes her yard and puts out a garden and walks in marathons. I guess what Im trying to say is there are women out there who still embrace their femininity in their own way without having to show the whole world their breast, plus have became postive images and roll models that people can look up to. Also men in the paolithic times were the aggressors they went from women to women to try to produce the most offspring its been bread in man to be this way, though we have evolved its still in them, so as far as your theory sex has allways been and allways be in the military its probably true and its also true that men are men and always will be men. Sorry if this has been long hope you can see were I am coming from. I really dont care what the lady does with herself or her body she has to ansewer to the big guy the same as me and you. I just don't beleive the military is a place for selfcenterness, after all its about serving and giving to your country with your heart and soul. Lets face it a person wouldn't prance around naked for photographers if they were not just a little selfcentered and selfish, she should have thought just a little bit harder befor she did what she did its not a harsh punishment its a just punishment.