CSM Teresa King - Drill Sgt School Cmdt With No Combat Patch

[LTC William E. Bailey]

I did wonder how someone in the Army could manage not to get deployed to a combat zone with over 29 years of service, especially in the last ten years. Most units have been deployed multiple times. Then I saw that CSM King's was branched AG, or Adjutant General Corps. One of her previous jobs was as an Admin Assistant, which makes me think her MOS is 42A (Human Resources). This is perfectly respectable and she deserves much credit for doing so well in her MOS. It does seem that things have changed because the Army used to make an effort to ensure the top slots in the DSS were filled by combat veterans, of which there is no shortage today.

GEN Petraeus was commissioned in 1974 from West Point, after Vietnam ended. The US would not conduct extended combat operations until 2003 and the invasion of Iraq, and by then he was a three star general. He did serve in Bosnia and Haiti, during dangerous if not quite combat ops. The less extensive and smaller combat operations prior to this invasion included Grenada, Panama, Desert Storm, and Somalia, and if you weren't assigned to the right unit, you just didn't get the chance. He commanded the 101st Air Assault Division's 3/187th Infantry Battalion from 1991-93.

[LTC TANKER]

To get a CAB, all you had to do was be engaged by direct or indirect fire. Gen Petraeus was probably shot at while in his TOC, chopper or on the route of march north during the invasion. If you have enough witnessess and fill out the form, you get the CAB.

[Unregistered]

Paetrus has a CAB of all things. Something designed to give support folks who have been in combat action something to recognize their experience and NOT a general officer whose first combat was seen as a divion commander.

Evidentally, you have not read GEN Petraeus' bio, the award CIB (Combat Infantryman's Badge).

The Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB) is the U.S. Army combat service recognition decoration awarded to soldiers—enlisted men and officers (commissioned and warrant) holding colonel rank or below, who personally fought in active ground combat while an assigned member of either an infantry or a Special Forces unit, of brigade size or smaller, any time after 6 December 1941.

GEN Petraeus has served in multiple leadership roles and has been deployed all over the world. As stated about the CIB from Wikipedia, the award is given to personnel holding the rank of COL or below.

Before making accusations, do your homework first.

[LTC TANKER]

GEN Petraeus never had a CIB. He had an EIB, Expert Infantryman Badge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeu...ons_and_badges

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[LTC TANKER]

In the last 30 years, the Army has been deployed to Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Op Desert Storm, Op Enduring Freedom & Op Iraqi Freedom. These qualified for combat deployments. You also had Haiti, Op Joint Endeavor, the Op in Kosovo, and the Multi National Observers in the Sinai Desert. There have been numerous times that CSM King could had deployed to an operation. I have just as much time in the Army active and reserve as she does, and I have deployed twice in a span of 8 years to a combat operation and a peacekeeping one. I did not have to look for it. The Army found me and mobilized me.

If the Army mobilized me as a reservist to deploy, then they had also mobilized numerous reserve Drill SGTs and CSS CSMs for deployment to combat zones in the last 10 years, what does that say about CSM King's credentials?

CSM King may have the experience of training in a school house and garrison peacetime environment, but she still lacks the being under fire credentials. Like I said before, I saw drill sgts come to Iraq back in 04 to start the training of the new Iraqi Army and Police before the training teams were finalized. If CSM King was such an "experienced" trainer, why was she not there????

She could had also filled out a DA 4187 to request transfer to a unit that was deploying. Everybody in the Army knows which units will be deploying for the next 2 years.

Now back to Gen Petreaus and his EIB. He did have one prior to his CAB. I believe that you cannot wear them both, or he ran out of room on his uniform. Here is a link to a picture of Gen Petreaus in DCUs wearing an EIB.

http://cdn.wn.com/pd/e7/93/33bef9358...59c_grande.jpg

Now, how did I belittle soldiers and the CAB by saying "To get a CAB, all you had to do was be engaged by direct or indirect fire"? That is what combat is, direct and indirect engagements.

Back to CSM King, I see that in her updated bio in the Drill Sgt website, it is saying that CSM King is currently pursuing a Masters of Divinity from Liberty University. Looks like she is preparing for her next career. She must have alot of spare time on her hands to do this.

[Unregistered]

What Patch did SMA Preston wear. He never served a single day in combat.

[homeslice_82]

Sometimes there are people who end up in assignments and they just don't deploy. I really don't think she was "dodging" a deployment. Also people need to get away from this combat patch thing. Now all you have to do is set foot in Kuwait and you get a combat patch. No more 30 days and then you get it so if someone lands in Kuwait with their unit, gets hurt a week later, they come back with a combat patch - how are they any better than CSM King who didn't deploy? That person didn't see combat either. Also A LOT of people do NOT wear a combat patch.

Also some people can multitask so they can get a degree and be commandant of the Drill Sgt Academy. Good for her furthering her education while in this job.

[homeslice_82]

In the last 30 years, the Army has been deployed to Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Op Desert Storm, Op Enduring Freedom & Op Iraqi Freedom. These qualified for combat deployments. You also had Haiti, Op Joint Endeavor, the Op in Kosovo, and the Multi National Observers in the Sinai Desert. There have been numerous times that CSM King could had deployed to an operation. I have just as much time in the Army active and reserve as she does, and I have deployed twice in a span of 8 years to a combat operation and a peacekeeping one. I did not have to look for it. The Army found me and mobilized me.

If the Army mobilized me as a reservist to deploy, then they had also mobilized numerous reserve Drill SGTs and CSS CSMs for deployment to combat zones in the last 10 years, what does that say about CSM King's credentials?

CSM King may have the experience of training in a school house and garrison peacetime environment, but she still lacks the being under fire credentials. Like I said before, I saw drill sgts come to Iraq back in 04 to start the training of the new Iraqi Army and Police before the training teams were finalized. If CSM King was such an "experienced" trainer, why was she not there????

She could had also filled out a DA 4187 to request transfer to a unit that was deploying. Everybody in the Army knows which units will be deploying for the next 2 years.

Now back to Gen Petreaus and his EIB. He did have one prior to his CAB. I believe that you cannot wear them both, or he ran out of room on his uniform. Here is a link to a picture of Gen Petreaus in DCUs wearing an EIB.

http://cdn.wn.com/pd/e7/93/33bef9358...59c_grande.jpg

Now, how did I belittle soldiers and the CAB by saying "To get a CAB, all you had to do was be engaged by direct or indirect fire"? That is what combat is, direct and indirect engagements.

Back to CSM King, I see that in her updated bio in the Drill Sgt website, it is saying that CSM King is currently pursuing a Masters of Divinity from Liberty University. Looks like she is preparing for her next career. She must have alot of spare time on her hands to do this.

As I said, I have met multiple soldier - senior enlisted too - who tried and tried to deploy but couldn't. They damn near begged to deploy but because of either being at schools or they kept PCSing to different units, they didn't get to deploy. So you can't just sit there and assume that CSM King "dodged" deployment. Also you don't have to have "a lot of spare time" to get a Master's degree. I'm getting my Master's degree taking online classes (through a real school) and I've managed a 4.0 for the first two semesters I've been doing it and about to start the third. She's actually leading by example for her soldiers by getting civilian education. My SGM preaches to us all the time how important civilian education is AND it's a lot of promotion points. People aren't going to be in the Army forever so why shouldn't they plan for after they get out? I am. That's just called smart.

[homeslice_82]

What Patch did SMA Preston wear. He never served a single day in combat.

Immediately prior to his appointment as Sergeant Major of the Army, he was the command sergeant major of Combined Joint Task Force 7 serving in Baghdad, Iraq.

So yes he did serve a "single day in combat" right before he got appointed SMA. Maybe you should do a little research before you randomly post things.